Coastal Area Parish Forum

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The Coastal Area Parish Forum held 04/04/2017 at Loftus Town Hall hosted by the NYMNPA had four Key ingredients. 

i   Boulby Potash Mine - Update

ii  Runswick Bay Coastal Protection Scheme

Iii NYC Landscape Partnership Scheme

iv Verbal updates on - Fracking, Cindertrack & BT Telephone Kiosks Removal

Three key experts were present to present to a limited turnout of about twelve very nice folk, four representatives who sit on Scarborough Council albeit a dual, two tripples & one mad hatter.   Anyhooos Loftus Town Hall is an exceptional building, set in an exceptional Town just North of Boulby Mine. ...

Ooh to the ahh to the Power of Four, Poly 4, Polyhalite & Potash Powerhouse.  Think Northern Power House, Potash Powerhouse of the North :-)   

Peter Jones (New Management) of Boulby Mine was to present to the Parishoners & public and outline Boulby's plan for the future.   Under their current planning permission that expires in 2023 Boulby mine two minerals Rocksalt and Sylvite.  Rocksalt mainly for highways and added to feedstock with Sylvite for fertiliser.     Jones explained why they need to start their 'road show' now and to let the public know they 'Boulby' have a bright future.  Rather prudently Boulby have entered into early discussions with the NYMNPA  regarding future planning procedures and have timetabled a public consultation exercise that began 3rd April at Loftus and will cover the whole region with an expected planning determination by no later than 2018.  

Under da new management and working with consultants Amec Foster Wheeler  transparency and openess is the key theme.  Following recent press reports regarding Health & Safety and local redundancies Jones confirmed some key facts:

Polyhalite is a potassium based fertilser.  Polysulphate is sulphur based.  Boulby is the biggest mining employer in the UK. Owners ICL have invested over £360mil in recent years to secure the future of Boulby and highly  value their 'asset'. ICL is the fourth biggest fertilser producer in the world.

Boulby also currently employ 750 workers.  Of the recent redundancies, Boulby asked workers the option of voluntary redundancy with full redundancy benefits.   425 members of the workforce took the option of early retirement (voluntary)  with 65 compulsory redundancies, creating financial efficiency to preserve the "750 jobs that we have at the moment".  85% of the workforce reside locally in Whitby, Redcar, East Cleveland and North Yorkshire.   The annual wage bill is £37mil with most of that spent in the local economy.  

Why the 'efficiencies'?   Operating costs.  The global price of generic potash had fallen in recent years, from $4/500t to  $165t  following a glut in holding of fertiliser stock, increased access to potash commodity, uncertainty with respect to supply and demand , akin with many other global commodoties dependent on geopolitical uncertainty, resources, research etc.... simply  -  supply & demand.    Boulby confirm that global potash prices are again on the rise.  Stocks must be low and demand increasing.

Working closely with Durham University, research & technology Boulby openly admit  that their current base mined fertiliser product will be exhausted in 4/6 years.  Sylvite or Sylvinite lies above the seam of Polyhalite (the target mining product of Sirius Minerals) .  Whilst polyhalite (Poly4) has been under the radar of  Boulby for some time (about six years) it is a harder mineral to mine than Sylvinite (being in a lower seam and of a different mineral composition).   Due to research & improved technology advancements Boulby are now keen to exploit this further mineral resource, Polyhalite. 

Not only do Boulby seek to focus on the 'fertiliser of the future' Polyhalite (as described by Sirius Minerals) but thanks to Boulby's research and trials their intention is to mine FOUR products within their boundary.. Rocksalt, Potash, Polyhalite and the recently added 'Carolyte'.

Bearing in mind close neighbour Sirius Minerals holds the same seams...  albeit give or take a few geo faults aka Southerly, both Potash producers could and would benefit, as would the whole region in terms of economic contribution.  Indeed global benefits 'feed the world'  from the blends that a local mineral resource 'asset' that is found to be the largest, deepest and most natural form of potash 'in the (known)  world'.

Anyhoos, back to this 'Carolyte'. This is a blend between  the seam of Sylvite & Polyhalite and contains ALL the micro mineral ingredients, aka  necessary nutrients that can be combined, blended or diffused to accommodate  ALL crop yeilds across the globe ... dependent on soil equations, etc etc.   Exciting innit?

However Boulby acknowledge they cannot predict the future with regard to commodity markets (who can ;-) so Why Now? 

Timescales for the future of Boulby's planning permissions started in January 2017.  As with all commodity markets, Boulby are trading on 'shifting sands'. 

The blending of Polyhalite & sylvinite to create 'Potash+' Boulby are seeking the NYMNPA  plannning  for 'Status Quo'.  ie to keep the company as it is with an expected lifespan, including the 750 workforce hitherto for the future upto  20 to 25 years.   In simple terms, not a FULL planning application but an Extension of their current Mining Licence.  Subject to public consultation.  

Why up to 25 years?   Further & future  ICL investment is needed to improve safety & secure jobs.    (and of course to keep digging and establish new markets for a local product)

The public consultation began yesterday.

Best not mention Volkovskite (I held it in me greasy hand)  

There are FOUR main elements to a Renewal of Licence under Core Econmic Policy E:

a: Enviromental (EIA)

b: Socio Economic

c: Tourism

d: Public Engagement

Phew.   As a worse case scenario it would take four years to decommission the mine ... properly. 

As for that Dark Matter stuff ...

I mebbe stoopid but I aint daft ;-)

PS with regard to 'Gas' ... of course ... think Jurrasics,   Dinos 65mil years Polywotsits 250mil years.

Time Waster, Moi?  Mutton ... Coralyte Corobite  wtf? Cornalyte..

The Rolling Roadshow :

ICL on Line Questionnaire :

Anyone got a tune? Fork Fork....

Personally am all 4 a Potash Powerhouse of the North.

Hey ho....  "a great Pirate does not require such intracacies"

Hats ;-)

Cheers :-)






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North Yorkshire Rotters

"... To celebrate National Volunteer Week, which runs from 1 to 7 June, North Yorkshire County Council is inviting people to find out more about voluntary work to benefit the environment.

Countryside volunteering is for anyone who wants to help to maintain access to the countryside and support nature conservation. Tasks include inspections, surveys and low-level maintenance of public rights of way. There is also an opportunity to join the North Yorkshire Rotters, who advise people on how to reduce waste and save money through composting.

Ian Fielding, Assistant Director for Transport, Waste and Countryside Services, said:

“We have countryside volunteers spread around the county, but we are keen to hear from anyone interested in joining them. The activity includes reporting and photographing problems, doing minor maintenance, such as cutting back overgrowth around signs, and once or twice a year helping with large scale surveys of paths. Tasks can be done at a time to suit the volunteers, including weekends.

The Rotters are volunteers from all over North Yorkshire and York who offer advice to people who would like to reduce waste and save money through home composting. If you enjoy meeting people and like attending shows, events, talks and demonstrations, we can provide the training and you can choose which events you’d like to attend.”


To find out more about joining the Rotters ..."


I dunno about you but thanx to no snow and no show my house is filled with spiders ;-/

Oh well.... mind they are a special variety ;-)


Thing is if I kill one all their friends and family are gonna get me ... now about that uniqorn.


Mind I can do snakes, rats n those little furry things with wings and radar :-)

Big Cats.... little cheese.

Volunteering thats for the Greys tho innit...

Urns ... little urns ... wft.


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Schadenfreude - An Alternative Era

"LONDON (Alliance News) - The London Stock Exchange said shares in Sirius Petroleum PLC have been suspended from trading on Monday, pending an announcement from the company, which is developing a huge potash mine in Yorkshire.

Sirius had not released a statement concerning the suspension of trading on AIM.

By Joshua Warner;; @JoshAlliance

Copyright 2017 Alliance News Limited. All Rights Reserved."


"In the first episode of our potash series, we concluded that the combination of population growth, changing diets and the need for cultivated soils to support higher and higher crop yields indicates a long-term trend of steady demand growth for many decades – an attractive prospect for any commodity producer. But demand is only half the story. In this second episode, we focus on the supply side of the potash market...

"The latter episode resulted in a lengthy period of minimal investment through the 1990s and early 2000s, which eventually led to the market tightening and contributed to a bull run in potash prices from 2003 to 2008. The end of this run coincided with what has become known as the “Global Food Price Crisis” of 2007-08. Somewhat overshadowed by the Global Financial Crisis that soon followed, the 2007-08 period highlighted what can happen when strong demand emerges after a sustained period of weak investment in new capacity. 

Potash producers responded to this boom with major investments in capacity expansion. In the 10 years to 2016, the industry added nearly 27 million tonnes of annual “nameplate” capacity, but sales volumes did not rise to the same degree1. Moreover, while the period of brownfield expansion may now be coming to an end, greenfield supply will also come on-stream over the next five years. That indicates that over-capacity in the industry, which has already contributed to potash prices slipping to their lowest levels in a decade, is likely to get worse before it gets better. That will put further pressure on higher-cost incumbents and some of the industry structures that have evolved over time..."

Anyhoos, I did ask the Boulby man about possible extraction of gas or oil in the vacinity of potash and the formation of each (oil/potash) belongs to different eras. Think dinasaurs v plankton.

Not only that fracking is incompatible with mining and a frack free zone around mining areas is decided by the local Authority with fracking prohibited in mining areas. A fifteen mile frack free zone is understood to surround the Boulby mine.

Any connection twixt the gas/oil & potash industry in North Yorkshire remains a bone of contention and is  highly sensitive.   Hence the  BHP Brigade can  'sod off'.

If you require a second opinion, give or take a few million years  (other than via Boulby) ask JD at Third Energy ;-)

Best not mention Sabic..

With warmth & depth ;-)


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SBC : Leader's Statement

"Tuesday, 19 September 2017

“After a short summer break, we’re back into the full swing of Cabinet, Full Council and committee meetings and along with some of my fellow Cabinet councillors, we’ve been to visit some important projects that are playing a vital role in the continuing economic development of our borough.

“Last week we eattended the launch of the Construction and Housing Employment and Skills Pledge (CHESP) at Scarborough Construction Skills Village, which sits at the heart of the Middle Deepdale housing development bordering Eastfield. The aim of CHESP is for public and private sector partners to work in partnership to overcome the major skills shortages and gaps in skills provision within the construction industry at a local level so that the borough can be more self-sufficient and ensure a skilled local workforce is available to build the anticipated 9000 new homes that will be required in the borough by 2032.

“The young people we saw learning their trades at the Construction Skills Village, who come from different parts of our borough, are a real credit to themselves and to the team of expert mentors that supervise their learning under real site conditions. The launch event attracted interest from the Cabinet Office and the Department of Communities and Local Government with representatives from both offices attending to find out about the proactive approach being taken. You can find more information about CHESP at

“Last month took us to the very north of our borough to visit the Boulby Potash Mine on the Cleveland border. At 1,400 metres deep, it is the second deepest mine of any kind in Europe, has an underground research laboratory and a network of underground roads extending under the North Sea, totalling around 620 miles in length. The fascinating site extracts Polyhalite (potash) for the global fertiliser industry and supplies 50% of the national requirement for rock salt used for de-icing Britain's roads. The mine brings vital employment and economic stability for many people living in our borough. It employs 710 people and approximately 70 contractors who live within a 15 mile radius of the mine, resulting in an annual wage bill of £37m. Our familiarisation visit gave us an insight into what a valuable commodity Polyhalite is and emphasised the global significance of the forthcoming potash mine that Sirius Minerals is developing to the south of Whitby.

“The council works hard to ensure our residents and businesses are looked after in the right way and this briefing includes just a few examples of how we achieve this, either on our own or through partnership with others. 

“Council staff demonstrated their usual excellence as part of the multi-agency emergency response to the flash flooding last month. I would like to say a personal thank you to all those involved in promptly getting the affected areas back to ‘business as normal’.

“We recently prosecuted a Scarborough landlord for two offences under the Housing Act 2004 after he failed to comply with notices to make improvements to two flats he owns. He was found guilty and was fined £3,500 per offence, which with costs, totalled £9099. The case sends out a clear message that we will take action against any landlord that doesn't take their responsibilities to their tenants seriously.

“Our officers are enforcing the new Street Trading Policy and Consent Order even if this means making difficult decisions about who should and shouldn’t be permitted to trade. The policy aims to ensure a fairer system for all street traders throughout the borough by ensuring they all operate under the same rules. The new regulations also apply to any pedlar breaching their Pedlar Licence by trading from one position instead of continually moving around. Officers are advising them that they need to apply for Street Trading Consent to trade from a fixed position. If they do not apply for Street Trading Consent and continue to flout the terms of their Pedlar Licence, we will not hesitate to instigate legal proceedings against them.

“It is reassuring to see the start of ground investigation work at Flat Cliffs near Filey to pave the way for a vital slope stabilisation scheme, which will help to protect the only access road to the community. While the scheme is on private land, the council has been instrumental in assisting the community by obtaining the necessary grant funding for the scheme and arranging a specialist contractor to deliver the works. While Flat Cliffs will always be at risk of coastal erosion, the scheme will buy residents the crucial time they need to develop and implement adaptation plans for the future.

“The community and open space improvement programme at Eastside Park in Whitby got underway this week. The initial phase, which is an eight week programme, will provide an exciting facility for children and young people of all ages.

“I mentioned in my last briefing that Full Council was to decide on a new 10-year deal with Live Nation Music (UK) Limited for the operation of Scarborough Open Air Theatre (OAT). I am delighted to report that this deal was agreed, which has secured our working relationship with Cuffe and Taylor for another decade. Exciting times are ahead of us and in the meantime, go to to watch a YouTube video that shows off the brilliant experience concert goers enjoy at the theatre.

“Success can sometimes bring minor logistical problems, like the parking problems seen outside the OAT at the end of concerts earlier this year. Our staff worked with taxi drivers and bus operators to bring about significant improvements by the end of the season, including the relocation of waiting zones for public transport. Everyone is now well prepared for 2018 with new signage and staff deployment plans in place.

“Full Council has also agreed to the recommendations from the cross party Overview and Scrutiny Board’s review of our Parks and Countryside Service. Staff will now begin the work required to progress the changes, which include a holding facility for commercially bought in plants at Dean Road depot and a community educational hub in Peasholm Park.

“Reviews by the Overview and Scrutiny Board can be crucial in ensuring all avenues surrounding a particular project or issue are thoroughly explored and different expertise and opinions are given genuine consideration. It is therefore only right that the board has agreed to a councillor led task group being formed to carry out an in depth review of the draft plan to improve the Cinder Track. I am aware of the strength of feeling surrounding the draft proposals submitted by Sustrans and the task group is very much aware that more extensive consultation with local communities and users of the track will be required as part of the plan development process.

“In December, the board will start an in depth and much needed review of cemetery provision across the borough. Particular emphasis will be placed on Whitby, where the shortage of space for graves and memorials is at its most acute.

“Following the works to improve Scarborough town centre earlier this year, I am pleased to report that we are working with North Yorkshire County Council on an extension to the original scheme, which will see more investment in the main shopping area. More information about this will be revealed in the coming weeks.

“Finally, I would like to extend my congratulations to all the volunteer groups throughout the borough that won awards or received commendations at the recent In Bloom awards. These high profile achievements are made possible thanks to an army of dedicated volunteers that give up numerous hours of their time to work in partnership with our Parks and Countryside staff. Together, they keep our borough looking wonderful for everyone to enjoy.

Cllr Derek Bastiman
Leader of Scarborough Borough Council
19 September 2017"


"ARRESTS were made as police clashed with anti-fracking protestors in Kirby Misperton today.

The day marked the beginning of preparation work at the Third Energy gas well.

Protesters gathered at the entrance to the site from 7am onwards, blocking the entrance way before being moved by police.

By 10am the protesters, many sat on chairs in the September sunshine, were kept behind lines of police officers. Some played music and sang songs.

A police presence of about 50 officers were in place to ensure delivery lorries could get past the protestors. Police vehicles also acted as escorts for the lorries.

The road was closed to traffic for much of the morning.

A 69-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of assaulting a police officer and obstructing a police officer, and a 33-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of obstructing a police officer..."

In the Pink.

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Sirius for Break Fast

"This is an easy task - the existing taskforce for the SSI UK site could simply be redirected to a new east Cleveland focus, as has been suggested by Redcar MP Anna Turley.

The starter would be with Sirius Minerals, which is developing a similar polyhalite mine down the road at Whitby.

That’s not due to go on stream until 2022, but work on shaft sinking and the tunnelling of the produce conveyor to Teesport is about to start.

There is a natural correlation here, and such a taskforce should seek to see if some kind of service level agreement could be struck whereby the taskforce would underwrite recruitment costs in return for prioritising the Boulby men.

This kind of work will last some time, and can act as a feeder for work at the mine when it starts, as with the sinking work at Boulby back in the 1970s.

Of course, there will be those workers among the 230 who would want to look elsewhere for new opportunities..."

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The Odd Mule

"“Treasure!” she exclaims, kneeling down to pick clusters of tiny crystals out of the earth, some of them clear, others in ochres, oranges and yellows. From gold and silver to cobalt, nickel and zinc, the Atlas mountains are a mineral paradise, as well as an ancient and lucrative industry..."

"Back in the early 1990s, Foulsham worked as a financial analyst for various oil companies but when he came to Morocco, to mine baryte for the oil industry, he decided to stay put. He found the site within two weeks, and set about building the 23-room Berber-style castle from scratch with the help of local architects. The project has been a labour of love..."

Heavy ...Mud.

"It is also sometimes used as gemstone"