Decision Day - The Itinerary

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The Itinerary for the York Potash decision day Tuesday 30th June is as follows :

Chair’s welcome and housekeeping comments 10.00am

2. Legal advisor’s statement 10.05am

3. Introduction by Director of Planning 10.15am

4. Statement/presentation in support of the application 10.20am

5. Statement/presentation by objectors to the application 10.40am

6. Statement/presentation by Parish/Town Councils 11.00am

7. Questions of clarification raised by Members/YP’s correction 11.20am

8. Presentation by planning officers 11.40am

9. Lunch Break 12.40pm

10. Discussion by Members 1.30pm

11. Resolution by Members

12. Such other business as, in the opinion of the Chair, should, by reason of special circumstances, be considered as a matter of urgency.

Seats have been restricted on a first come first served basis:

Arrival time 9.15am,  bums on seats by 9.45, otherewise your seat will be reallocated.

The Bede Hall holds 120 people, St Hildas Room accommodates 80.  There are 70 on the reserve list.  

Sneaton Castle sits in large and beautiful grounds adjacent to St Hilda's Priory which is the Mother house of the Order of the Holy Paraclete, an Anglican religious community, and there is a Prayer Room ;-)

This is a private venue and only food bought at the venue can be consumed - pre-ordered packed lunch can be eaten in the grounds. '

Contact J.sneaton@northyorkmoors.org.uk - only if you cannot attend, so your seat can be reallocated. 

Meanwhile, of the alleged non-atendence of the Members "It is unpredicatable who or how many of the members of the Park Authority will turn up on the day."   "That is all I can say"

Interpretated as - we are not allowed to say who is attending because .... of security arrangements?    

Hmmm so who will be turning up & out?   - Will it be Wallace & Grommit .... Marge Simpson, Willy Wonka or the Big Chief Sitting Bull?  Who cares ... 25 around the table?  

All guests have to register and retain a ticket (pass) throughout the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZa1xkKoa4

Silence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvIl1gWLk5Q

 

 

 

 

 

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NYMNPA - Cuts to Funding

will leave NYMNPA depending on charitable donations:

Begging Bowl?  cheers ! Don't forget a Packed Lunch:-)

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/rural/farming/moors-trust-bid-makes-...

"National parks are braced for what funding decisions might come next, as it remains to be seen just how deep any new round of government grant funding cuts will hit national parks. That picture might become clearer after the Chancellor, George Osborne, announces his “stability” budget on July 8.

Mr Graham said: “It will depend on how much Defra’s funding is cut and how Defra intends to pass that on.

“We are hoping to have some detail by the autumn but we are in the lap of the government department and government ministers."

No 25's in the room ...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLeM10ZSP-A&index=3&list=RDuu5SNBYyC2s

 

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Dennis v Bradshaw

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33271331

"A veteran Labour MP and former miner has made a plea for the government to use "state aid" to save the remaining deep mine pits in the UK from closure.

Dennis Skinner, MP for Bolsover, made the appeal in the House of Commons.

The three collieries are Hatfield in South Yorkshire, Kellingley in North Yorkshire and Thoresby in Nottinghamshire.

All are to shut by 2016 unless a rescue deal is agreed. Energy Secretary Amber Rudd gave no commitment."

Mr Skinner said: "The last government took £700m out of the miners' pension fund.

"Let's give some of it back, apply for state aid, save the three pits in question and save a lot of jobs."

Aye Dennis  :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fngvQS_PmQ

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33256232

from Bradshaw : http://planning.northyorkmoors.org.uk/MVM.DMS/Planning%20Application/811...

Hmmm ... At least 7 or 8 times were sat around the table cosying up to YKW conspiring against YP? Ask TC he was there .... btw why has TC always refused to table with YP?

Knife n forking? Nah.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzhAS_GnJIc

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YP - The Chamber

"York & North Yorkshire Chamber President, Suzanne Burnett has written to the media in support of York Potash. View the full letter below:

“As the accredited Chamber of Commerce for West & North Yorkshire I would like to express the Chamber’s support for the York Potash planning application.  The project will provide a huge and very welcome boost to the North Yorkshire economy, generating much needed employment and securing long term economic growth.  As well as boosting the local economy we also consider that this unique opportunity will contribute significantly to the economy of the whole region.

The project will offer vast opportunities to local and regional businesses and we are delighted that York Potash has committed to supporting North Yorkshire suppliers wherever possible and indeed many of our members have already registered their interest in the supply chain opportunities.

We cannot over emphasize the economic benefit of this development particularly at a time when the public sector has shed jobs and the country continues to face economic challenges and uncertainty. We should not deny the opportunities that it will present for our young people to have a secure future in North Yorkshire.

We would strongly urge members of the Planning Committee to approve this planning application.

Suzanne Burnett, President,
York & North Yorkshire Chamber of Commerce”

source: http://york.wnychamber.co.uk/chamber-gives-support-to-potash-project/

 

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WG - Potty People

http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/local/mining-move-from-peru-to-whitb...

"Tristan’s job is one of 60 that have been created so far under the York Potash umbrella but the prediction is that 1500 will follow along with an annual wage bill of £35 million.

After plans for the mine were first aired in 2011 there has been comprehensive test drilling at various locations between Whitby and the former Dove’s Nest farm at Sneatonthorpe, which was eventually identified as being the preferred location for the mine base.

He managed and oversaw that process and results revealed that in the vicinity of Whitby there were the thickest and highest grade deposits of potash anywhere in the world."

Hmmm ... I'd rather be in Peru ... hey ho ...  any low flying Storks?  Peru Pottas ... a girly whirly? 

Awww a soppy moment ;-) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-EO5I60KA

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Borough & Blackpool - The Times

The Borough - Potash decision feature in the Times:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/Companies/article1573966.ece

Blackpool - Fracking decision :

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/Industry/article1574218.ece

"LANCASHIRE councillors are set to deliver a much-delayed verdict tomorrow on whether to allow fracking outside a village near Blackpool.

Last week the county council discussed two applications from Cuadrilla Resources to drill the first shale gas wells in Britain since 2011. The council rejected one and postponed the ballot on the second until tomorrow, after an all-day hearing ended in stalemate.

Sources close to Cuadrilla were hopeful this weekend that it will get the green light for its site at Preston New Road. A QC advising the council said last week that rejection would create “a high risk that a costs penalty will be imposed upon the council”. The county planning officer also warned that there were no grounds for a rejection."

Hmmm ... is too bizzy ....  trains, electrification ... @ Cameron - Born Slippy ;-)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlLWFa1b1Bc

fascinating : filed:-) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/fracking/11695341/Cuadrilla...

 ... >>>>  One Hundred Days Off -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3OUP1l6O4  

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Sirius in the Times

courtesy of A* (LSE) - The Times

After five years, tens of thousands of pages and £125 million, the fate of the plan to build one of Britain’s biggest mines will hinge on a single meeting.

Sirius Minerals’ proposal to dig 2.7 billion tonnes of potash — a valuable fertiliser ingredient — from a mile beneath the North York Moors will come before the national park’s planning committee tomorrow, marking the culmination of a debate that has pitted advocates for jobs and investment against conservationists.

Investors took fright this month when planning officers tentatively suggested that the benefits of the development did not outweigh the need to protect the moors for the benefit of the nation. However, they issued an “open recommendation” to the park’s committee, effectively passing the decision on to the committee.

While appeals are likely either way, tomorrow remains the most pivotal day in the tortuous history of the project.

Shares in Sirius have swung wildly in anticipation of the decision. In the past few months they have oscillated between 6½p and 25¼p. They rose strongly on Friday to close at 18½p, valuing the company at £405 million.

After Lancashire county council’s rejection of fracking last week and its second shale gas decision due today, the North York Moors National Park Authority’s meeting will be the third test in a week of whether big resources projects can win the support of local officials.

Chris Fraser, the founder of the project and the chief executive of Sirius, believes that if the project does not get the go-ahead then the bar has been set impossibly high.

About half of the proposed £1.7 billion of capital investment in building the mine is in mitigating the development’s impact on the park. Among its concessions was opting to take the potash to the port via a 23-mile system of underground conveyor belts.

“This is one of the most detailed environmental statements ever done, not just in a national park but in this country,” Mr Fraser said.

The Highways Agency, Natural England and the Environment Agency had no objections to the mine being built, although Natural England had some concerns about the construction phase, he added. “For the largest mine by economic value in the country to achieve that outcome shows the quality of the work we’ve done,” he said.

Not everybody is convinced, however. Although even the park’s planning officers acknowledged “very strong local support”, some conservation groups are implacably opposed and are concerned that the majority of committee members who are drawn from local councils may sway the debate in Sirius’s favour.

“It’s difficult to know what will happen on Tuesday,” Tom Chadwick, chairman of the North Yorkshire Moors Association, said. “If things are as they should be, and [the committee members] wear the hats of committee members who have a responsibility for the national park, it’s inconceivable, given the report from the officer, they could possibly approve it."

"The decision takes place as a huge potash deal is in the works. PotashCorp, the Canadian giant, is trying to take over K+S, of Germany, in a $7 billion deal. A bigger European presence for PotashCorp, part of a Canadian cartel that supports prices, could lead to a tightening of supply in Britain, which could eventually push food prices up.

Mr Fraser argues that any consolidation underscores the need for Britain to secure its own supply of potash."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahr069-fzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDET2vYcTxQ

 

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More ... Times

"Two planning decisions in the north this week will speak volumes about Britain’s ability to cope with big projects.

Today, Lancashire county council will decide on Cuadrilla’s fracking proposal near Little Plumpton, outside Blackpool, having already thrown out an application to drill test wells near Preston.

While the proposal is relatively small scale, another rejection will frustrate government ambitions to recreate the US’s shale gas boom.

Sirius claims its plan has little in common with the fracking proposals because it enjoys strong local support, in contrast with the tens of thousands of objection letters generated by Cuadrilla’s applications. The mine would create more than 1,000 jobs and generate tens of millions of pounds a year for the area, largely in the form of royalty payments to landowners. About 13 per cent of its shares are owned by North Yorkshire and Teesside residents.

Over the weekend it received an endorsement from three local MPs, who hailed the plan as “a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to improve the lives of thousands of people in our area”.

The project will fall between two government policies: its manifesto pledge to protect national parks and its commitment to creating a “northern powerhouse”.

The Institute for Public Policy Research has found strong support among northern businesses for the latter, which involves trying to create an economic “agglomeration” by, for example, improving connections between cities. Businesses were also keen to see more spending for the region and greater devolution on infrastructure issues. "

"agglomeration" WTF?  Eh ? googly oogly time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLopP8OTt6M

 

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More More More Support for the Moors

booming out over the Yorkshire Coast :-))

http://www.yorkshirecoastradio.com/news/local-news/1656347/local-enterpr...

"The York, North Yorkshire & East Riding Enterprise Partnership (the LEP) has restated its firm support for the economic benefits of the proposed potash mine near Whitby.

In a letter to the North York Moors National Park Authority, the LEP states that the economic benefits of this £1.7 billion investment represents an opportunity that cannot be passed by. This is the largest investment in the north of England and will lead to thousands of new jobs for local people and will significantly boost the local, regional and wider national economy.

Barry Dodd CBE, Chair of the York, North Yorkshire & East Riding Enterprise Partnership said: "Investment on such a huge scale is unprecedented in North Yorkshire, this opportunity is one we cannot afford to miss. Even in a conservative scenario, it will boost the whole of North Yorkshire’s economy by a staggering 6% and with the mine comes new jobs to the Yorkshire coast, jobs that are skilled and sustainable, which is even more important for the most deprived area in North Yorkshire."

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Dodd continued; "Nationally the mine proposal has huge significance. Contributing £150 million in taxes each year, the project will reduce the budget deficit, as well as a major amount of revenue – equating to 2.5% of the UK trade deficit – that will be brought in through exports. This is an exceptional achievement for a single investment and the size and scale of the benefits will continue for multiple generations".

The LEP strongly urges North York Moors National Park Authority to support this investment which will be a significant factor in the economic success of the Yorkshire Coast and Tees Valley and will bring very positive change and opportunity to people who need this.

The planning decision for the potash mine is expected on 30 June."

Oooh four none blonds ... @ YCR :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdphvuyaV_I

Ah, Blonde moments - is late for the day job :-)

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Fracking refused at Fylde

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-33313084

Captain Sensible  (LKH on iii)

""The risks associated with fracking (methane leakage, groundwater contamination, hydrogen sulphide exposure etc.) make the public understandably wary of exposure and the potential for harm." ...  Wonderful stuff, m8! ... 'I'm not a hairy-arsed miner mesen, nor a fracking roustabout, but I had a good chuckle at the idea that the fracking application was rejected on risk grounds which you claim DON'T apply to a project which involves a 35 click long tunnel, 6 metres in diameter, running horizontally 250 metres subsurface through a national park but DO apply to a project involving a 12 inch vertical hole burrowing way below the water table ... in Lancashire ffs ... before turning horizontal, bit of sand, bit of proppant, bob's your uncle, no worries. ... Were I a risk assessor I suspect that I would view the channel tunnel lookalike risk as, erm, rather greater than the fracking risk, but that's just: LKH on the flybridge Captain Sensible"

Oooh words that echo .... ah, so would that put Third back in pole position to be the first to frack in the Bowland? 

More from Captain 'no flies on me'  ;-) " .... it is the wishes of the local yokels, not the engineering risks, which should dictate whether Sirius gets PP or not. On that basis it should be a shoo-in." 

SXX are holding there own, as Igas sinks like a Greek tragedy AEG are holding the patchees. Aimbow ;-)

Meanwhile :-  "Commenting on the decision by Lancashire County Council to refuse planning permission for a key shale gas extraction site -- with implications for fracking across the UK -- Dr Adam Marshall, Executive Director for Policy and External Affairs for the British Chambers of Commerce, said:

"In the face of the pressing energy security problems Britain faces, today’s decision is perverse, short-sighted and timid. Fracking must be part of the solution to the UK’s energy crunch, and could also provide a real fillip to our economy.

"We hope this perverse decision is overturned on appeal, and that further delays are minimised.

"The government now needs to step in -- both to look at the long-term energy security and economic considerations, and to act in the national interest. It should also make sure that there is generous compensation in place for those affected by crucial energy projects, so that they are not mired in compensation disputes. 

"The UK still lacks a clear, long-term energy strategy, with domestic conventional and unconventional oil and gas sitting alongside nuclear and renewable energy in our supply mix. We urgently require a 50-year energy security strategy and the Government should make this a priority." 

Yep, indeedy, mebbe they should make decisions like that in  December when the powers gone off ... .  Shudders .... imagine if they  had found Potash in Blackpool .... shivers ...  

AIUI - a Judicial Review will be held on the Fylde app .... Uggh

 

 

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YP responses to CPO's Report

1. http://planning.northyorkmoors.org.uk/MVM.DMS/Planning%20Application/811...

2. http://planning.northyorkmoors.org.uk/MVM.DMS/Planning%20Application/811...

Can't see it makes any difference, but hey ho

Mind, some things are imprinted in the erm, mind.

“The project won’t be there in 10 years. The need is there now and the need to develop the project which is the sensible and logical thing to do is there now."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Px_1MWOPM

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Frazer & France on BBC Look North

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06059xc/look-north-yorkshire-29062015

Frazer "the fundamental thing that is driving this is about producing fertiliser ... and selling that around the world ... helping to grow food for the food security issues around the world"

France  "by volume the largest producing potash mine in the world ... it raises a whole range of environmental issues ....a whole range of specialist and technical subjects..."

Hmmm ... controversy ? Am kinda glad now that this 'Mine' is in the National Park ... this  could potentially be the most environmental friendly Mine in the world ... that surely has to be somin to be proud of ... anyhow lets see if the Members have the confidence in the locals and themselves to make sure it is...

Yep, I already checked Joy Global (a strategic partner) hold a Conflict Minerals Statement :-)

http://investors.joyglobal.com/conflictmineralsinformation.cfm

Imagine what it would be like if it was outside the National Park? 

"A prinicple of protection ... break it here and no where will be safe ..."  Oh, on the other hand build it here and set a global mining standard with the greatest respect to the environment in the world.

Oh ok. WTFDIK? Soon.

 

 

 

 

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SN: Members Gearing Up

http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/local/national-park-members-gea...

"There are 22 members that make up the authority and who will have the job of making the all important decision, but the Gazette understands that three members have already given their apologies and won’t be present at the meeting.

The planning committee is made up of representatives appointed by the local councils and the Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).

For North Yorkshire County Council they are Mr D Chance of Whitby; Mr B Griffiths, Middlesbrough; Ms H Moorhouse, Great Ayton; Mrs C Patmore, York.

Redcar and Cleveland Borough Council Members are Mr C Massey, Eston; Mr M Dick, Brotton and representatives from Ryedale District Council are Mr J R Bailey (Chair), York and Mrs J Frank Kirkbymoorside.

Scarborough Borough Council Members are Mr D C Jeffels, Scarborough; Mr H Tindall, Danby; Mr D Hugill of Middlesbrough is the Hambleton Council representative.

Secretary of State Appointed Members are Ms A Fisher of York; Mrs J Mitchell, Scarborough; Ms Sarah Oswald, Malton; Mr A Scott, York; Jeremy Walker, Thirsk.

Secretary of State Appointed Parish Members are Mr L Atkinson, Scarborough; Mr M Bowes, Stokesley; Mrs E Dent, Pickering; Mr E Sanderson of Egton

The chairman of the committee is Mr Jim Bailey and the deputy is Mr M Bowes."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXrJdOD5syo